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[–]albynomonkHeat: Pedal To The Metal 647 points648 points  (10 children)

It's a shame they can't keep the doors open through youtube revenue, but that's the world we live in. If you love what they do, throw em a couple bucks. If not, don't complain if they stop producing content.

[–]saifrcDraw Click 1...Draw Click 2... 211 points212 points  (8 children)

I would much rather give them money out of my pocket than for them to have to do what it takes to maximize YouTube revenue.

I hate ads and ad-supported content with a passion. Unfortunately, this leads to me having too many Patreon subscriptions…

[–]roosterchains 45 points46 points  (2 children)

100%, so much of the bad click bait we have is due to YouTube algo.

[–]ackmondualRace for the Galaxy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Ten shocking facts about the Roman Empire". One of them was military recruits in the Roman Empire would train with wooden swords twice the weight of the real deal. It's interesting, but NOT shocking.

[–]AnalysisPopular1860 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, the whole quick bait/rage bait thing is really infecting table top gaming world. I watch a lot RPG, board and miniatures content and it's rapidly becoming overwhelming. I refuse to watch channels that dip too hard into the entire ragebait thing.

[–]albynomonkHeat: Pedal To The Metal 26 points27 points  (4 children)

That's awesome! I'm glad you support boardgame media creators.

[–]saifrcDraw Click 1...Draw Click 2... 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Between crowdfunding, Patreon, merchandise, and other forms, I support too many board game media creators now 🤪 As in, far more than the amount of board game content I actually consume…and far, far more than would be warranted by the actual amount of time I spend playing board games… 😖

[–]albynomonkHeat: Pedal To The Metal 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think if we are consuming enough of their content, we can consider it to be like a tv subscription. How much do people pay for Netflix each month? And Prime? And whatever other streaming package they pay for?

[–]saifrcDraw Click 1...Draw Click 2... 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's how I feel about a handful of the podcasts that I listen to and channels that I watch: they make up several hours of my information and entertainment each week, so I'm happy to subscribe. But I also have several of the TV and movie streaming services on top of it... 😵

[–]IrrelevantPiglet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey could be worse, at least you’re not spending loads of money on a shelf of games that never get played… right?

[–]Philbob9632Twilight Imperium 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a bit demotivating, and there is some part of it that is the “love of the game”, but in the end I find honesty and openness about revenue is worth it. Maybe not for everyone, but for this niche people seem to understand.

[–]empreur 157 points158 points  (12 children)

I like Paul (I support his personal Patreon) but I'm tired of seeing people say "oh, I miss Paul on SU&SD". He left in October 2018. That's eight years ago.

Quinn's Quest is great, especially as my own current gaming emphasis has shifted towards RPGs. He left SU&SD in February 2024, so still relatively recent.

I still support SU&SD on Patreon (mostly because I can afford to, and it's not a lot of money for the year). I like Tom a lot, and find he has a lot of interesting takes.

What set SU&SD apart in the early days was that they were a great ensemble cast - Quinns, Matt, and Paul together had this great energy and all contributed something that made the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

Game content is hard. When they started in 2011, BGG seems to suggest there were about 3k new games released. In 2025, that number was well over 10k.

[–]aboysmokingintherain 39 points40 points  (3 children)

My issue is its hard to actually get into a lot of these games because the shear number. I still have games on my self. I got Kings Dilemma and we played it to the end. The issue is that thats months without needing or wanting to buy a new game. I can't imagine there are people who watch all of these.

I like Quinn's Quest as well. I think he was my favorite host and I like the TTRPG's. I also think his videos lend themselves better to watching without NEEDING to play.

[–]empreur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes! I loved his Stone Top review and I might pick up the PDFs to read, but I know it isn’t a game system I want to play.

[–]ThePizzaDoctorAgricola 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You've missed that most of the dedicated watchers and posters on this subreddit don't play games, just buy them and put them on shelves as they're told to

[–]Kemuel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm still throwing SUSD a subscription, but I only watch their side content like Top 100 and not the reviews. The reviews just make me want to buy new games, and I'm past wanting or needing to do that.

[–]Amazing-Example8753 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I think I'm in the tiny minority of viewers who found Paul borderline unwatchable, with terrible takes on games... Weird

While there is something slightly perfunctory feeling about SUSD these days I think they're doing an admirable job. It seems a little childish the way people seem to want "their SUSD" to have existed in perpetuity, and seem almost annoyed that Tom can't be everything to everyone. The channel has been going for nearly two decades and a lot has changed. That's just how time works.

[–]TheMadDoc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, same. I generally skipped solo videos since our tastes did not align at all. Quinn on the other hand aligned perfectly with me

[–]empreur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

His board game tastes and mine didn’t mesh. I loved his ensemble work with Quinns and Matt though.

And his review of Feast for Odin still makes me laugh. Vikings like rocks.

[–]LazarusKingHeroquest 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I liked Ava, but I don't know if they're still involved.  The only solo video they did they put a lot of effort into and it was pretty funny.

[–]OrlandoNerz 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I think a third person that adds even more takes and quirks is a really good thing for a channel like SUSD. Ava was lovely and Emily is just a force of nature! Brilliant!

[–]Hyroero [score hidden]  (0 children)

What even happened to Emily!? She was awesome.

[–]kentuckyr0utezero 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What is the amount of time past which you're not allowed to miss something anymore? Five years?

[–]empreur 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There isn’t a statute of limitations.

Irish comedian Dara O’Briain joked that “nostalgia is heroin for old people.”

The current version of the show and team isn’t the one from 2018. But it also isn’t operating in the same environment.

Paul has written a lot of interesting stuff since he left the show. Almost none of it about board games.

[–]COHERENCE_CROQUETTEAsymmetrical 460 points461 points  (105 children)

Same day as NPI did a special video about how they're struggling. And not too long after Actualol did his second or third one.

It's actually infuriating to me, to see the channels that clearly put a lot of work and effort into each video, and produce extremely high quality content, struggling while there are so many "content mill" channels pumping out content by the dozens each week with absolutely no regards to quality or depth or editorial responsibility, doing "reviews" of games they maybe played one and half times, and they're all doing fine.

The system absolutely rewards the wrong things.

[–]addisonshinedown 229 points230 points  (6 children)

They’re all in a niche side of YouTube, and are essentially all asking the same audience to help them out. It’s a tough situation.

[–]878Vikings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the thing I think it's easy to forget. Boardgames and RPGs are a big part of my life, but the creators I follow (who are leaders in their niche) have 6 figure subscriber numbers. I think compare that to the other channels I follow (Tech, PC gaming, Maker stuff) and they often have 1 million + subscribers which really tells the story of how much money everyone is getting from youtube.

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    [–]nervendings_ 49 points50 points  (27 children)

    Board gaming is a very small niche compared to other gaming niches. Shame but that’s just how it is.

    [–]dark-pact 116 points117 points  (26 children)

    That’s part of it but also SUSD has uploaded 9 reviews in 2026. Last week they uploaded a video looking at 5 games so we’ll say 14 reviews in the first 7 months. 2 per month…I’m not going to go see which ones Tom did and which ones Matt did but like that’s an average of 1 video per month for each of them.

    They’ve done 3 of those “best 100 board games” where they talk about a game. In total - 14 videos from Jan-Jul.

    I enjoy their stuff but that is extremely low output.

    I’m not saying they need to turn to slop content and their stuff is usually fairly high effort. But they can maintain that high effort content while uploading some lower effort stuff that would be interesting to see. I think they don’t want to be associated with low effort “top x whatever” lists but views have shown people like that crap.

    Just suck it up and upload a few of those each month. I don’t want to be mean here but it’s just weird to me - they have a platform - people genuinely enjoy hearing them talk about games. Just do it a little more often.

    [–]2this4u 33 points34 points  (1 child)

    It's not even the volume it's the cadence. Earlier this year they put out 3 videos in the space of a few weeks. They should instead have scheduled them evenly around other content.

    These weren't hot new games, there was no reason to rush them out.

    People want to be able to look forward to something on a schedule, if they could release a video on Thursday every two weeks they wouldn't need to rely on the algorithm as much because people would be waiting and looking forward to it.

    [–]takabrashMOOOOooooo.... 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    People want to be able to look forward to something on a schedule

    Even more than that, YouTube's algorithm itself rewards consistently releasing on schedule. I've heard that from channels in other spaces- you skip a week or post on the wrong day or whatever, and suddenly your video gets pushed to no one.

    [–]blacksmithMael 36 points37 points  (0 children)

    I watched Shut Up and Sit Down back in the early days. I thought their videos were brilliant: the production value was exactly as good as it needed to be, but the writing was excellent.

    The expectations, or perceived expectations, of production value are making videos like theirs incredibly time consuming to produce compared to their earlier stuff. And not necessarily that early, maybe to about ten years ago?

    I’d swap a vast amount of production quality for personality, writing and maybe a bit more frequency any day.

    [–]KiristoForbidden Stars 14 points15 points  (10 children)

    I've always assumed they have other jobs as the amount of content they put out seems like it could be done on top of working a normal full-time job. I do enjoy their content, but I also don't think you have to put out slop to put out a video every week if that is your entire/actual job. Especially for board games...play the game 2-3 times a day for 2-3 days, make video for 2-3 days (throw in footage from you playing the game the first 2-3 days)... I don't know, maybe writing scripts and whatever just takes way longer than I think it does. I also don't think some of these people work Youtube careers like a normal job, hence the assumption they have regular jobs as well.

    [–]senorgraves 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ever edited a video?

    [–]Amazing-Example8753 3 points4 points  (8 children)

    That doesn't seem fair to me. Scripting, filming and editing videos takes a long time. They have a podcast in the mix, a website and patreon content. I take your point that they could churn stuff out but the output seems about right.

    This isn't the same thing as Dice Tower where they just turn the camera on, ramble then slap an intro and outro on it. Maybe they could start doing that but then everyone would complain on Reddit that they've gone downhill.

    [–]KiristoForbidden Stars 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I mean, Dice Tower puts out multiple videos a day if I'm not mistaken (don't really watch them) due to not editing or scripting. No one is expecting a channel like SU&SD to replicate that. I'm sure I grossly underestimate the amount of time it takes to do all the editing and scripting, but also for most games 2-3 times a day is not an 8 hour day (only your non-TI4 heavier games are going to take 4 hours or so each time), and you probably can start scripting the video the first day after 2-3 playthroughs, another day or two of playing to solidify the game's impression whilst also finishing the script... Filming surely does not take an entire day to read/film through your 20-30 min script a few times, setup the game for B roll if needed/instructions. That still would give you like two days to edit? I have not done the job personally, but surely if you've done it for however many years they have, I wouldn't expect that editing is a 16 hour job for a 20 minute video. You're right, they do have other stuff, which obviously takes time, but also presumably brings in more money. Plus there are at least two of them. I'm just thinking/comparing to any other 8 hour a day job, seems like low output to me personally (though I also don't care about their podcast or website, so have no idea what those are like/what the level of effort looks like there - I'd assume a podcast is a lot more rambly/very little prep or editing required much like the aforementioned Dice Tower stuff though).

    [–]ultranonymous11[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    320 hours to make 1.5 video reviews and a handful of podcasts though? In what world is that reasonable?

    [–]ragnarok62Concordia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Some may remember, but SU&SD was briefly part of the Dice Tower Network.

    At the time, I was like, “That will never work,” and it didn’t.

    [–]kentuckyr0utezero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I think they don’t want to be associated with low effort “top x whatever” lists but views have shown people like that crap.

    Done thoughtfully, "top x whatever" content is not crap at all.

    We've gotten to the point where there is an absolute firehose of game releases every year. Top X lists from people who know what they're talking about are an invaluable tool for people who are new to the hobby, or people who just dip in and out and aren't paying attention at all times to the good new releases.

    [–]Troile 5 points6 points  (9 children)

    They do also have a podcast that I believe is biweekly.  But I do agree they probably could put out some more content that is slightly lower effort but still probably better than the "slop" a lot of other channels put out.

    [–]Ezeekiel10101 24 points25 points  (8 children)

    They should record the podcast as a video and put it on YouTube, its all the rage for easy content.

    [–]Amazing-Example8753 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I have thought this for a long time as well. Makes perfect sense.

    [–]Ezeekiel10101 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I just dont get it its leaving easy content on the floor. Plus you get the add money and feed the you tube algorithm.

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      [–]worldofzero 65 points66 points  (21 children)

      The "content mill" channels are making more money because YouTube puts an emphasis on watch time and views. If you release 10x more videos it's a lot easier to build those numbers and get paid more for them. It's a flaw of the platform and why things like subscriptions and patreon etc exist for channels with more substance.

      [–]overthemountainCthulhu Wars 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      I think it's also that the content mill videos likely make less money individually, but cost FAR less to produce.

      It's just not a space that has enough attention to properly reward quality.

      [–]sybrwookie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's just not a space that has enough attention to properly reward quality.

      It could, but they choose not to.

      [–]Thatthingintheplace 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      Those channels are mostly making money from sponsored content. Youtube advertising money is nowhere near sufficient for those channels to keep their doors open just on that, no matter how many videos they pump out

      [–]worldofzero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I imagine some external revenue is necessary for smaller areas like boardgaming but I don't think that's true for other types of content where it's easier to make and has better eCPM.

      [–]COHERENCE_CROQUETTEAsymmetrical 26 points27 points  (16 children)

      Yeah. What did I say? It's the system rewarding the wrong things.

      [–]massenburgerDungeon Petz 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      My theory is this is a trailing indicator that people's economic outlooks are on a downward trend. The first thing you'd stop buying when money gets tight is boardgames. As a result, you'd stop watching videos about brand new games, and just keep playing the existing games you already have. I know that's true for myself, though I'm not buying new boardgames for a different reason: my shelves are all full! But the logic stays the same: not buying new games = not watching content about new games.

      [–]Im_really_bored_rn 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      It's more that boardgames themselves are a niche product. Even in a great economy, most people dont buy board games

      [–]massenburgerDungeon Petz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Two things can be true at the same time. I'm more trying to pinpoint why all these channels seem to be suffering all at once. Maybe the market got oversaturated, and a few of them need die off or merge with other creators.

      [–]flyte_of_foot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I think it's just natural reduction of the audience following a large period of growth. Boardgames have always been very niche. You had a lot of new people getting into it from Kickstarter in the 2010s, and you had a second wave during Covid. Nothing has happened to sustain that interest. Crowdfunding is noticeably less popular than it used to be, and many of the Covid crowd have gone back to their previous lives and interests.

      [–]mattcolville 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      It's basically impossible right now to be a full-time Youtuber thanks to...well, a bunch of stuff but the Adpocalypse was ground zero.

      The folks who make a go of it all have a patreon or some other way to monetize their audience. In fact it's become so hard to monetize YouTube videos, that people just assume everyone has a patreon. The idea of making a living only from Youtube with no patreon or merch doesn't even occur to people anymore.

      [–]Marksman1977Grand Austria Hotel 🤵🏻‍♂️ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Does SUSD sell merch? I would buy Quinns merch. He was great and terribly missed.

      [–]ultranonymous11[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      They used to at least. I have a ten year old shirt I believe.

      [–]chumbazTicket to Ride 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      Short form slop way out earns long form quality content especially when it’s a niche of a niche.

      The tik-tok-ification of content unfortunately.

      [–]BlueberryWasps 23 points24 points  (5 children)

      short form makes next to nothing in ad revenue. youtube rewards watch time and viewer retention

      [–]Redeem123 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      Yeah I’ve had friends with shorts that pop off. Nothing insane, but a few hundred thousand views. They get a few dollars out of that.

      [–]chumbazTicket to Ride 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Short form is promoted way heavier in the algorithm than long form. The short form peeps get sampled in feeds way more often than you so discovery is also higher.

      Unless you have an established audience, if you’re producing long form videos you won’t earn nearly as much as someone who’s pumping out slop even though your RPM is higher.

      [–]sybrwookie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They get next to nothing each, but take far, FAR less to produce, and for ones which pump out constant slop for very little, the "next to nothing" starts to add up, fast.

      [–]CucumberWisdom 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Also Channel5. Is today like tax filing day or something?

      [–]sybrwookie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Well, Channel5 is a bit different. That's, "some asshole is trying to sue us out of existence because they're unhappy that someone I interviewed said his name, and well, even though the lawsuit has gone nowhere, the money is real and we don't have money to fight this anymore."

      [–]PepeSylvia11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      People reward the wrong things, not “the system.”

      [–]Im_really_bored_rn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I mean, boardgames are pretty niche so it's always gonna be harder for these channels

      [–]GamingVision -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      I really enjoy NPI. I their videos can be a bit long at times, but the effort and quality they put into it is fantastic. The industry needs voices like theirs and it’s cool to have a niche hobby have that (I can’t think of the equivalent YouTuber for, say video games). NPI is the one I’m far more likely to support.

      [–]Willing-Impress-871 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      There's a million video game video essayists

      [–]Swizardrules -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      You can set your clock to actually begging for more money though

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        [–]JJBroady 114 points115 points  (22 children)

        Every time a SUSD video is posted here, the same discussion inevitably comes up: “old SUSD vs new SUSD”. Whether you preferred Quinn’s or prefer Tom’s style is largely a matter of taste, and I don’t think there’s an objectively right answer there.

        But for me, there is a big issue in the new editorial direction Tom has made with SUSD that needs to be addressed.

        Under Quinns, SUSD had a very clear policy of not reviewing crowdfunded games until they were available at retail. That line was so firmly held that it even sparked controversy when they covered Blood on the Clocktower.

        They were also consistently transparent about being provided with review copies, regularly discussed whether a game’s price was justified compared with cheaper alternatives, and generally worked hard to keep a clear separation between reviewers and publishers.

        That made it much easier to trust their recommendations.

        Since Tom took over, that separation feels much less clear.

        We’ve seen numerous reviews of games that are actively crowdfunding, or about to launch crowdfunding campaigns.

        The SUSD Direct videos blur the line further by giving exposure to upcoming titles paid for by the publishers.

        There also seems to be less discussion about how particular games make it into their editorial pipeline. Were they provided or not?

        Now that SUSD has entered publishing themselves through a partnership with Play to Z Games, I think those editorial standards deserve even greater scrutiny. When your business has closer ties to the industry, transparency and clear editorial boundaries become more important.

        That’s why personally, I’m uncomfortable supporting the channel in its current direction. It’s not that I think anyone is acting in bad faith; it’s that I think SUSD built its reputation on high editorial standards, and in my opinion they have been dropped.

        Edit.

        I just want to add something that really cheesed me off.

        SUSD release a podcast every 2 weeks.
        This week, on the same day they put out a video asking for more donations, the podcast is just an audio version of their last video “5 more great new board games”

        That is just lazy. And if you want people to give you money, you have to do better than that.

        [–]Shaymuswrites 67 points68 points  (4 children)

        I understand your point, but didn't SUSD's partnership with CMYK Games begin while Quinns was still there, with Monikers?

        I find SUDSD is generally pretty clear about sponsored content vs. reviews. I've never felt like the channel was trying to sneak one by me.

        The crowdfunding approach ... yeah, that's up to personal tastes. So many more games go to crowdfunding now I'm sure it's hard to avoid covering those games, but if it doesn't sit well with you (or any other viewer), I get it. I appreciate that the crowdfunding reviews are still irregular. The bulk of their video reviews is made up of released games.

        [–]JJBroady 18 points19 points  (3 children)

        Yes you are correct. Their relationship with CMYK did start while Quinns was there, and it made my eyebrows raise at the time. But they did go to great effort to point out their working relationship with CMYK clear up front in any video featuring one of their games.

        I would have personally preferred they kept business interests entirely seperate from their editorial coverage. But it was handled as well as it could be I suppose.

        Contrast how the line between business and coverage was handled with the first SUSD board games direct.

        At no point in that video is it disclosed the games covered within it were paid promotion. Old Kings Crown was covered in that video, a game that later got its own video just before a second printing crowdfunding campaign was launched. You can see how these things get murky very quickly

        But as you say. It all comes down to personal taste

        [–]Shaymuswrites 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Mmm, that disclosure isn't clear at all in the Board Games Direct video. That's too bad. There should be a clear statement about any paid promotion.

        [–]C010RIZED 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        To be fair, after this video they did start explicitly saying "these are paid previews, not our usual reviews" at the start of all other BGD videos

        [–]Master_Door396 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Only after the first video was posted on this sub and was met with criticism for not disclosing the paid promotion.

        [–]StrikingDelivery2656 35 points36 points  (2 children)

        With Quinns' videos, for me, it also felt like it was fun, entertaining and informative in a lowkey theatrical way.
        Their newer videos feel *just* entertaining and informative like a standard review, identical to so many other review videos.

        [–]RAMAR713Luthier 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        This is is for me. SUSD was never a review channel, it is and has always been an entertainment/comedy channel centered around board games where the viewer happens to also come away with a few notions of what this or that game is about. But the thing about entertainment is that if the people change, the quality of the channel changes with it, and now that he's gone it's pretty clear that Quinns made SUSD better than the sum of its parts.

        [–]Marksman1977Grand Austria Hotel 🤵🏻‍♂️ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        The Quinns days were better. Let’s just accept that. He had it all: charisma, intelligence, wit, ethics, image. Full package. Now he’s gone. It’s like when a football team loses their best striker and they just can’t score goals anymore.

        [–]Thatthingintheplace 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, I really don't love how much it looks like paying for a SU&SD Presents spot boosted folks odds of getting a full review in the next year. With how much their reviews move copies, it'd be mad not to try to buy the spot for the increased odds of the full panel. And that really feels pretty damn close to just fully sponsored reviews

        [–]VaporSpectre 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        Tom just flat out saying Arcs was the best boardgame of all time felt like a comedy sketch combined with an advertisement for Cole Wehrle's ego. It was weird.

        [–]somethingrelevant 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        to be fair to tom i completely believe he actually meant that. it's very in line with where his positive reviews tend to go

        [–]Hyroero [score hidden]  (0 children)

        I mean it was on like every list of top games for that year wasn't it?

        I thought it was a super interesting game that unfortunately just didn't fit my group but that's honestly par for the course for Cole Wehrle's games. But they're undeniably very popular.

        [–]Marksman1977Grand Austria Hotel 🤵🏻‍♂️ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        He also said it back when he had only played less than 100 games btw. Ridiculous.

        [–]VaporSpectre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        How dare he. Pff, amateur.

        [–]flouronmypjsPatchwork 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I agree on this. I still enjoy SUSD very much and will continue to watch their videos. I think they are still among the very top reviewers for this hobby. And I get very tired of the constant conversation around their presenters changing, etc.

        But I have been disappointed in how they've handled sponsored content lately. I'm not against them doing sponsored content - go for it, pay your bills! But there's been a noticeable lack of clarity around what is/isn't sponsored. And more concerning to me, they have given "reviews" (i.e. indicated positive impressions) about games they were paid to feature - something they would not have done before.

        [–]james3000gore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I’ve never financially supported SU&SD but I have considered it previously. The only reason I hadn’t because I find it easy to spend everywhere. The only channel I pay for is Watch It Played.

        That being said, I have the same feeling. Any thought of sponsoring SU&SD disappeared after the Direct series of videos. I know Watch It Played does sponsored videos, but the channel is about videos on how to play games and not critiquing them.

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          [–]krynnulBlue Player 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          I enjoy their content and the bonus content that comes out monthly. It's hard to find a group that puts out consistent, quality infotainment relevant to a hobby I participate in. Hope they are able to continue doing it for as long as they find it fulfilling.

          [–]therealgerrygergich 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          I'm probably part of a newer generation of board game fans who prefers a lot of consistent content and discussion about board games rather than in-depth reviews about board games, especially because I don't see myself buying too many board games in the near future anyways.

          The SUSD Podcast is a lot better in this sense because it's more just Tom and Matt sharing their general thoughts on playing new games in a more conversational way that's easy to follow and comes out on a biweekly schedule for the most part. The organization of the discussion feels a lot more organic than the setup in the videos of "I should've liked this but here's the reason it actually didn't work for me."

          I don't actually mind if content creators are paid and sponsored to put out certain videos because honestly making money in the board game industry is hard and it seems unsustainable not to do this. On that note, here are some of the board game content creators who I consider to the GOATs. First, Getting Games was one of my favorites back when he uses to do long-form board game playthroughs. I understand why he had to stop but I'm still very sad.

          Next, Before You Play is hands down my current favorite board game channel. Seeing a full playthrough of a game after rules explanation gives me a lot more personal context on whether or not I think I'll actually enjoy a game than a more subjective review and the amount of content means I never really have to wait for an extended period of time for new videos. The chemistry between Naveen and Monique is also very fun (understandably so) and the format of their channel is very smart since they've explained that doing a long-form recording above the board game takes much less time and effort than general reviews and rules explanations, and I personally prefer that format anyways.

          Finally, Board Game Barrage is hands down my favorite board gaming podcast at the moment. They put a lot of effort into the podcast but it's also clear they all love board games and I think the fact that they don't use it as their main source of income makes a lot of sense with how the industry works. The chemistry between the tanks is amazing and every episode has a lot of personality.

          To summarize, board games are already a niche interest, most podcasts that cover podcasts (or most media in general) even those that have Patreons, have other jobs in addition to their board game content or rely almost exclusively on sponsored content, which I don't begrudge at all. I just don't think it's sustainable to run a company that relies mostly on donations and sometimes has a month between releases.

          [–]markbesadaBoard Game Barrage Podcast 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the very kind words, that means a lot! Especially when included in such illustrious company.

          [–]KingofLurker 62 points63 points  (10 children)

          I think I will donate this year, they make the best boardgame content on youtube

          [–]neilgooge 112 points113 points  (22 children)

          Sadly, as much as I loved SUSD, its just not the same without those original creators. Nothing every is when the core of a creative team moves on.

          I like these guys, but I just don't think they do it as well. Especially not in a time where board games maybe don't have the same rabid user base they did of a few years back.

          And back in the SUSD prime, the board game market itself wasn't completely saturated with sub par games. They were at their best during the board gaming as a hobby sweet spot, a large amount of good games to choose from. Rather than this overwhelming saturation of kickstarters and desperate cash grab feeling games.

          So for someone like myself, I just don't buy board games in the way I used too, and so just don't visit the channel, or other channels like it. Especially when its not as funny or insightful as it used to be.

          I think Quinns has pivoted extremely well, these guys should be trying to do the same...

          [–]MrBigJams 93 points94 points  (10 children)

          Obviously you're welcome to your own opinion, but it's one I see a lot and really disagree with.

          I liked Quinn's and Paul, but I really do think tom and Matt are fantastic. Tom especially is capable of articulating what makes games great, and going really, really deep. Videos like his John Company one are far deeper, and better articulated and produced than most of what old susd ever did.

          I also think he's genuinely really funny and has interesting taste in games.

          [–]Konman72 24 points25 points  (8 children)

          Tom especially is capable of articulating what makes games great, and going really, really deep. Videos like his John Company one are far deeper, and better articulated and produced than most of what old susd ever did.

          I have a weird thing with Tom where I feel like maybe he goes too deep. Let me try to explain...

          I've watched a ton of his reviews but very often come away going "wait...what kind of game was that? And did he like it?" Something about his style has me feeling more like he talks around the game than about it. Which gives the feeling that his review was too shallow, but it could also be the opposite: he goes so deep into how the game felt that he doesn't give the basics enough for someone who doesn't already understand the basics to understand what he's really talking about.

          I've kind of stopped watching because I wasn't getting value out of the time. If it's a game I already own and enjoy I get some entertainment out of it, but I haven't found them useful in determining if I will enjoy a game in a while.

          [–]Master_Door396 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          Yes. Exactly this.

          A classic Tom-ism in his videos is to say “and I want to be clear here”

          Just be clear Tom. Say what you want to say, instead of talking around the thing you want to say.

          [–]MystiaSentinels Of The Multiverse 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          You put it quite well, I find him very enjoyable and eloquent, but a lot of his reviews feel like I didn't learn anything of how the game plays. It's all prose and feelings, but no information or conclusions. Quinns also did that, but between the gag-filled intro, and the emotional conclusion, he'd stop a couple times and go "so, here's what a turn might look like", and show a few examples, or cards, and give an elevator pitch of how the game actually works.

          [–]OmioPax Porfiriana [score hidden]  (0 children)

          That articulates well what I’ve thought about Tom’s reviews. You can tell when he’s generally excited about something but I never find him especially effective at getting me enthused about them.

          [–]kaysn Keeper of the Forbidden Wilds 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I do get what you mean. I see Tom’s reviews as more video essays than actual views. I really enjoy them but I know they’re not for everyone. Especially for people who are looking for reviews. Who want to know what it is and how it plays. Not 40-minutes of him “talking around” a board game. You get what the game is about but at the same time, not get what it’s supposed to be exactly.

          [–]thejonathanpalmerChinatown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yep, I think that the majority of SU&SD's videos could be half the length they are and you wouldn't lose any meaningful content. Some of them are a real slog to get through because Tom fannies around, taking 5 minutes to make a salient point. Just get on with it!

          [–]MrBigJams 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I get this as a criticism. I think for my taste I'm never really that interested in the basics, I much prefer to know how a game feels. I can read the rules if I want to know the exact mechanics of the thing.

          I never get on with other reviewers as I just find all the basic detail quite boring.

          [–]work_in_marketing 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          I much prefer to know how a game feels.

          Isn't that what people miss about the old days? Look at their Time Stories review where they captured the dreaded Groundhog Day feeling or Arkham Horror LCG where they stood in front of a monster with two encyclopaedias. Now it feels more like a synonym list with adjectives. Entertainment is subjective though and that's a great thing.

          [–]Konman72 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Now it feels more like a synonym list with adjectives

          This is a perfect way to put it.

          [–]Troile 25 points26 points  (0 children)

          I fully agree.  I do miss Paul and Quinns but I think Tom and Matt are both pretty solid.

          [–]Clovis_Sangrael 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I agree 100%. The early Paul and Quinns were great: witty, irreverent and genuinely funny. Things started going astray when Matt joined. He was virtually a Quinns clone in physical and vocal mannerisms and didn't seem to have a voice of his own: SUSD had become a brand and style. The few times I've watched recently, the cast seem like a bunch of smug, insufferable prats. This was reinforced recently by the bizarre, superior diatribe Tom launched against Boardgame Bollocks over the use of AI in games, as if he couldn't comprehend the very idea that anyone would have a different perspective to his.

          What we see now with SUSD is like when everyone but the drummer leaves a band, and it limps on under the banner with none of the ingredients that made it a success in the first place, playing smaller and smaller venues.

          [–]oneeyedziggy 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          I really like the PMG content... Was a patron until I got laid off, it's some of the only real gakes journalism in years (would love to be proven wrong) 

          [–]wegglesThat's something a Cylon would say... 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          There's plenty of games journalism out there. For one, Jason Schreier is doing incredible work.

          [–]cantuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Schreier is alright.

          I'm positively ancient in the world of gaming. My favorite games journalism was from the late 80s/early 90s in the form of Addy Eddy's time as editor in chief of Videogames & Computer Entertainment. The reviews were more long-form essay style akin to something you'd see in Entertainment Weekly while the other articles had a sort of prestigious insider quality to to them -- felt like reading a trade publication at times like Variety.

          Schreier feels a bit like that era of journalism. I do feel that it is a bit of a slight to the industry of journalism that he seems to be the main game journo with insider takes these days. It would be better for everyone if there were a few more guys in his shoes.

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            [–]pizzapizzamesohungry 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            And their convention was absolutely glorious.

            [–]bbates728 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Man I miss Shux

            [–]dolemite01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Shows what I know. I watch Tom's reviews thinking, oh is Quinns going to appear? I had no idea Quinns was out gone. Tom and Matt are great I just didn't realize they are the main guys now.

            Quinns review of TMB will remain one of my favorite board game reviews. It's what got me in board games as a real hobby.

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              [–]CoffeedemonTikal 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              The way she goes. If you're going to make anything on YouTube and put significant production into it you're going to have to treat it as charity while you work a real job or supplement your funds by begging or getting on patreon and similar.

              [–]Amazing-Example8753 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              Does anyone else find this continuous SUSD "old v new", "this host but not that one" ritual a bit...weird? Like, what is it about the channel that inspires so much parasocial attachment and strength of feeling?

              I always felt the YouTube commenters would always comment more about the hosts than the game and generally just seem a bit obsessed with them, especially when Quinns was around.

              [–]ultranonymous11[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Dice tower did the same quite a bit when Sam left and joined. But also they have so much freaking content that it’s not as interesting I guess to focus on the people maybe?

              [–]readyplayerrog 29 points30 points  (5 children)

              Is this supposed to generate good will towards susd or stir up shit?

              [–]smokeyser 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I think that depends on how you feel about the channel.

              [–]protox13 45 points46 points  (0 children)

              Yes

              [–]zendrix1Aeon's End 30 points31 points  (2 children)

              Yeah the post title is coming off a little harsh

              [–]ultranonymous11[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              My bad!

              [–]kentuckyr0utezero 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I wouldn't worry about it, the title could have been literally anything and people would be having the same SU&SD arguments in the comments anyway.

              [–]Neutraali 22 points23 points  (5 children)

              Generally great video production values aside, the actual boardgames recommended by SU&SD are hit-and-miss.

              [–]TheTeralynx 19 points20 points  (0 children)

              I think their tastes have just diverged from yours. These days there’s so much stuff coming out that it’s easy for enthusiasts to silo into their niches

              [–]CaptainGrim 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              It's almost as if boardgame enjoyment is subjective. Odd.

              [–]sybrwookie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              Since we lost Paul and then Quinns, it's been miss-and-miss for me, unfortunately.

              [–]HyBReD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is the core of it, imo. The original creators were definitely the first blow to their viewership, but the selection of games and this "this isn't an official review-review" type content is odd.

              [–]ugotpauld 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              My potentially unfair take is that i dont think tom is very good at board games and also derives a lot of fun from a great group of friends 

              I think hes a great content creator, but it means I can never put much faith into the actual contents of his... content 

              [–]FinCrimeGuy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              I thought No Pun Included’s plea was a bit more compelling and so will likely back them on Patreon instead. The content and quality they put out actually warrants it, whereas SUSD while I enjoy them just does not get enough video to the table. They also keep saying they want to push up production quality, but like, they got famous just being a few cool geeks talking about games around their tables. Some of my very fave videos on their entire channel are just Quinn in his apartment with a stack of games talking to the camera - they could do similar with the current cast and produce enough to put out a constant content schedule.

              Edit to add- also not that I don’t believe them, but Matt just recently bought a house with another content creator Dani Standring so the bank at least thinks he’s doing ok.

              [–]ultranonymous11[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Totally agree. NPI was super upfront on their position as it related to income and otherwise was very self-aware on their content. SUSD doesn’t really seem that way at all, for better or worse.

              Also for what it’s worth Dani works a full time job as a pharmacist for a pharma company, so I think that has a lot to do with it…

              [–]FinCrimeGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Oh fair call, I didn’t know that about DS. I used to be a big fan of hers actually, because she’s very funny and compelling, but I’m now less enthusiastic about her and was worried her influence might seep into SUSD. I’ve bought several games she’s hyped up as ‘zomgamazinnng’ while smashing down a milk product and tapping her nails and I’ve realised she’s less actual reviewer and more just paid hype factory…

              Anyway, that’s an aside, I still do find her videos funny I just don’t consider them seriously for unbiased looks at games and I’m happy her and Matt seem happy :)

              Still gonna Patreon the NPI team instead though haha.

              [–]Tom_Lameman 18 points19 points  (0 children)

              If you have watched their content and enjoyed them then I think these guys deserve and have earned every bit of our donations. 

              Besides Tom’s great. 

              [–]JJWonderboy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              Most of the successful Youtubers are basically just marketing extentions for game publishers (esp. the raft of KS games that need "reviews" to up their funding). NPI and, I assume, SU&SD are more honest than that. Unfortunately that means they have to get most/all of their money from Patreon.

              Ideally, viewers would recognise that honest opinions are good for the community. But I fear that most people want to watch an upbeat confirmation of the KS they want to back.

              [–]GiveneausernameCthulhu Wars 8 points9 points  (12 children)

              Bring back Emily!

              [–]Shaunless 7 points8 points  (7 children)

              Yeah! Do you know what happened?

              [–]GiveneausernameCthulhu Wars 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Not a clue, but she has her own channel where she occasionally posts videos, and I think that she streams on twitch these days. I really enjoy the personality that she brings to her content, but I’m not personally interested in watching streams.

              [–]C010RIZED 6 points7 points  (5 children)

              Emily popped into a previous thread to say it was basically crippling executive dysfunction. I've also heard there was some transphobia directed her way, but I can't verify that.

              [–]GiveneausernameCthulhu Wars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Ah, damn. She’s definitely talked about that a little bit in her personal YouTube channel. Hope that she’s found ways to get by! She really was a super bright spot on SUSD.

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                [–]PseudoFenton 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Assuming she has the time and wants to - but she'll always be a welcome addition when she does show up. Just like Pip is.

                [–]MirrorComputingRulez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                They would probably love to.

                [–]SnarfleezThe people demand hats! 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                We've been saying the same thing! Emily was the new life that SUSD needed, she made it feel like the good old days again. Her and Tom were such a perfect chaotic duo, and we miss that!

                I know she posted more and more infrequently to her own channel, so it's probably just life stuff. I hope she's well!

                [–]theifthenstatement 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                They used to do conferences. There must be a way to use their market position to find sources of revenue. Normally a Patreon also seems to be a good source of income.

                [–]MoonNoodles 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                They already have a patreon.

                [–]autovonbismarckALL THE GAMES 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                What is a patreon except asking for donations with extra steps? 

                This way people who want to support them can, and everyone reaps the rewards. 

                [–]wegglesThat's something a Cylon would say... 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Patreon is a blessing and a curse. On one hand, it funds things that absolutely could not exist otherwise. On the other hand I find a lot of creators end up in Patreon purgatory where the effort to create reward content (behind the scenes stuff, bonus podcasts, Patreon exclusive streams, yada yada yada) can cause the regular content to wind up on the back burner because, well, "500 people are paying $5 a month for this podcast, I GOTTA get that out, main channel stuff can wait" .

                But I also get that "give me $5 a month and get nothing" isn't enticing, even if I bet a significant number of patrons, across the board, don't bother with the extras. I know I'm guilty of that.

                [–]DRodders 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                They were at the UK board game expo! 

                [–]Rachelisapoopy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I appreciate early SUSD exposing me to some great games like Mage Knight, Witness, and Escape. That was over 10 years ago though. These days I have no interest at all in learning about new board games. So I've only been watching their top 100 vids.

                [–]ackmondualRace for the Galaxy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Not surprised. Many of the board game content providers do the same. Dice Tower recently had a donation drive. Board Game Geek does it every year

                [–]verytom89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Im already signed up to their patreon for the bonus bits and general support. Theyre a great channel

                [–]Ambitious_Oil5186 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                No media personalities have done more for helping me out of this depression than for these guys and the work Quinns did with Paul of course, I’m on a good trajectory but as soon as I have the disposable income I don’t think there’s anyone else I would quite consider donating to as much for what they do. Forever eternally grateful for what they did introducing me to this art form. 

                [–]Howitzeronfire 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                In like a month, 4 boardgame channels I watch have made videos asking for money

                [–]takabrashMOOOOooooo.... 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                They all do. That's how all of them work. I don't keep up with endless YouTube drama or trends, but I do know the last year at least has been brutal on payouts for channels that have historically been quite successful. Even then, they still had patreons or crowdfunding campaigns.

                [–]TheCoffinMan 6 points7 points  (19 children)

                Bring back Quinns

                [–]Alastor3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                nah, it's Quinn that wanted to do something else

                [–]Brkus_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                Quinn was the MFing GOAT. The only person that can make a board game review into hilarious video with just a few phrases.

                "What is fascinating about this board game, to boring people such as myself".

                It is just unexpected and so well timed, that is just insanely funny. Same sentence from someone else and it's just not the same.

                [–]kingcoolkid991 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                My interest in the channel died when he left.

                [–]GroinReaper 9 points10 points  (13 children)

                what happened to Quinns?

                [–]DohnJonaher 37 points38 points  (0 children)

                I think he just wanted to make different kinds of content.

                [–]jambrand 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                He has People Make Games (journalism) and QuinnsQuest (TTRPG) channels. Possibly more, although I’d be surprised as there are only so many hours in a day.

                [–]GroinReaper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                thank you!

                [–]jakalo 19 points20 points  (2 children)

                He has his own channel that reviews ttrpgs

                [–]GroinReaper 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                I think I found it. Quinn's Quest. or is there some other one i'm missing? it has been too long since I've seen one of his videos.

                *edit* someone in another comment was nice enough to point out he also has People Make Games

                [–]jakalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Thats the one.

                [–]Werthead 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                He moved on. He started off as a video games journalist and after many years of doing that realised he was burned out on video games and moved to board games. After a decade of doing that, he realised he was burned out on board games and moved to TTRPGs. He's been playing TTRPGs his whole life and actually did a bunch of TTRPG content on SUSD, to the point I think they were contemplating switching from just board games to tabletop games more generally, but eventually decided that diluting the focus was a bad idea. So Quinns went to TTRPGs full-time.

                I think it helps that although the production value stays high, it's not as involved SUSD so he can release videos are a slower cadence (and as he insists on reviewing every single TTRPG he plays through an extended campaign before covering it, he has no choice) and make each one a bit more of an event.

                [–]ringojohnGreat Western Trail 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                He started doing guitar gear reviews instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kwnmbVlBDU

                [–]YeOldeHotDog 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                This might actually mess with someone that hasn't seen him in a while lol.

                [–]wertraut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Holy shit the similarities are insane.

                [–]ohgreatnowyouremad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                What the fuck

                [–]jambrand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Oh my god what a find 😂

                [–]TheTeralynx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                He changed to covering RPGs. I think he just wanted to move to a new subject matter. He used to write for Rock Paper Shotgun, so this isn’t the first time he’s moved to an adjacent industry

                [–]Troile 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                I still miss Paul, and Ava.

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                  [–]RAMAR713Luthier 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  SUSD has changed too much since I started watching their content in 2020 or so. I don't want this to come across as a hate comment, nor am I going to cry about the departure of Quinns from the channel, but whether you're still a fan or not, I think most people will agree that something did change.

                  More than quality, comedy, or even taste in games, what changed the most for me was the tone. I didn't like it when Matt started going on his preachy rants about things that have nothing to do with board games, and while I always liked Tom, I also felt like he slowly became different, all the way to that regrettable incident where he bashes on some other dude's small channel just because he had a different opinion.

                  I'm afraid SUSD has become something I no longer have any interest in, and I can only guess how many others feel the same way. I don't see the channel dying anytime soon though, nor do I wish for it, but neither do I believe it can ever go back to what it was before.

                  [–]Jedi_Master_Shane -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

                  SUSD used to be very funny, I now find them a bit condescending

                  [–]SnarfleezThe people demand hats! 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                  I haven't noticed this at all. Can you elaborate? Maybe give a couple examples? I'm truly curious.

                  [–]GrittyWillisAbyss - Seek in the DEPTHS! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I “grew up” on SUSD content. Love the lads, but honestly havent watched a full video in awhile. I miss the old style content and I just haven’t loved with their coverage honestly. I’d like to see some changes to what they do and maybe more routine “engagement”. That said, still love em.

                  [–]dark-pact 1 point2 points  (17 children)

                  Also maybe buying a house/showing it off on Instagram isn’t the best look when you’re getting ready to ask for more Patreon money…I don’t know maybe that’s overly critical.

                  [–]Pym-Particles 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  Don't think that is very fair at all tbh

                  [–]dark-pact 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I agree. Just bad optics.

                  [–]ultranonymous11[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Who did this?

                  [–]TheDreamnought 0 points1 point  (12 children)

                  More context here? I don't have Instagram

                  [–]thejonathanpalmerChinatown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think Tom and Matt are great guys, and I do enjoy a lot of their output, but there's something a bit desperate about this – the video equivalent of a begging bowl being handed out.

                  [–]ImaginaryPotential16 [score hidden]  (0 children)

                  Its not the same without quinns.

                  [–]TheNewKing2022Legendary A Marvel Deckbuilder -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                  Pass

                  [–]Crunchu777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I gradually stopped watching and caring after Quinn left

                  [–]PM-me-useless-arses 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Then they need to improve.

                  Matt and Tom with no Quins. No Paul. No Emily. What’s the point? To get the same quirk video after video? And then the grins as the bet for money for the same tired content?

                  Yeah ok they’re not a content farm sure, but they have continuously dropped in quality to the point I don’t bother subbing any more never mind paying. And I gave them a lot of money over the years. And gave Matt a graphics card over Covid. Gave. Not sold.

                  [–]Liberal_Caretaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  The poor-man's Monty Python act got real old real fast and it only worked as well as it did because of Quins. After a while I just couldn't sit through forced quip after forced quip to find out whether a board game was worth playing.

                  I felt the same with No Pun Included. Joke after joke after joke with deadpan delivery like I was watching a Mick Miller standup routine from 1976. Time after time after time.

                  And - it's no surprise to me that both of these channels are now short of money and are asking for more support at almost exactly the same time.

                  [–]Geordi14erAgricola -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                  The channel just isn’t the same without Quinn.

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